Freiza? Given Ginyu and Burter's speed, and Guldo's time stop Oozaru would be rendered ineffective against the Ginyu Force as long as they know to cut off their tails. Especially when talking about the Majins. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. Started this for fun but now I'm debunking all the trolls. One of them cuts off his tail then it's a slaughter house. Rocketing over the Namekian landscape... Bardock, Vegeta, Nail, Gohan, and Krillin were all flying as fast as they could over the hills and valleys of Planet Namek. I doubt Ape Vegeta is as strong as Goku when he fought Recoome. vs. Piccolo "Lord Frieza!" Or letting Guldo fight first because of grudge. Lol, explain how Broly was trashing the Z-fighters then. However, the two kids that are with him may be even stronger. Not only that he must have been pretty stupid to forget that Goku's son was still in his development stages so he had a tail as well. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. The Ginyu Force has some resemblances and references to Super Sentai teams (and by extension, Power Rangers teams): five color-coded warriors, tendencies to pose during battle, role calls and supernatural powers. I think people really need to take Vegeta's incredible tactical skills into consideration. Each Ginyu Force member checks on Vegeta through their scouters, and they realize that he has become much stronger since their last meeting. I asked. Chapter 66: Vegeta vs Android 18. Same difference, the clothes are still way too stretchy for logic. Considering his tactical skills did him wonders against the androids, and cell. Goku's PL was massively overshadowing theirs, is why. Captain Ginyu powers up to his maximum and asks Jeice about his power level, but to his horror, Jeice replies that it is only a mere 23,000. It's a hypothetical topic, I made it clear that I was making assumptions here. Do they have knowledge of what allows a Saiyan to transform into a Great Ape? Lets recap. Burter cut off Vegeta tail before he recognize it. Bring Naruto, Sasuke, Madara and Obito against them and Ginyu Force still stomps. ... Not that it matters because as I said, this should have been Spriggan 12 vs Ginyu Force if anything. They just need to cut off his tail, if Goku could make it somewhat difficult for Vegeta to catch him, then the Ginyu force should easily cut his tail off. I was trying to find the scene where Yajirobe cut off Vegeta's tail, to see if he figured out to do so on his own, or if he tried it after seeing Gohan and Krillin attempt to, but I can't find the manga anywhere online. Chapter 66: Vegeta vs Android 18. And use his own Kienzan against him to chop him up like he almost does years later to Cell. The saiyans get slaughtered. Still, relax. He is the leader of the elite Ginyu Force.Ginyu was an elite minion of Frieza that was called upon to recover the Dragon Balls from Vegeta.His Ginyu Force brutally outmatched Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin until Goku came. "I'll handle you myself!" In the manga there were no soldiers around. It could be. His name is a pun of "butter" (which is indirectly mentioned by Goku). Add photo Ginyu Force vs Cooler's Armored Squadron is a What-If? The manga volumes that it is made up of are “The Ginyu Force” and “Goku vs. Ginyu“. Why didn't Goku, Piccolo, krillin and gohan beat Freiza? It was released on October 8, 1990 in Japan, and in March, 2003 for the English version. Pissed Gohan = More power. Would the Ginyu Force know to try such a thing? Albeit, it was not planned, raw power destroyed any move Cell had. Manliness transcends both space, and time. I know Vegeta's strong too, but a five on one doesn't seem fair at all. @nickthedevil: ginyu defeated goku despite him having more PL, so tactics does work, well at least techniques does. @jashro44: @linsanel_doctor: @juiceboks: actually no. Even Piccolo killed a main bad guy (Raditz). Or Ginyu body changes with him. Frieza instructs the Ginyu Force to capture Vegeta and the seven Dragon Balls on Namek and bring them back to him. Captain Ginyu can body switch but Vegeta has knowledge. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Yes even Guldo if he uses he telekenises. "You know Vegeta is a powerful fighter. -Acharyap28. Ginyu calls out to Jeice for assistance, but Vegetacomes out of hiding to intercept and battle Jeice alone. Vegeta great ape can eviscerate the ginyu force. It consists of five powerful warriors: Recoome, Burter, Jeice, Guldo, and Captain Ginyu, the leader. So Frieza gives them permission to destroy Krillin and Gohan, but he wants Vegeta alive. Using your enemy's overconfidence to goad them into taking a powerful attack head on is what I meant. if goku can then as well vageta with same power. Vegeta(Against Jeice) vs Goku(Suppressed against Ginyu Force) - Sep 4, 15 Vegeta's PL vs Jeice - Jun 6, 16 Vegeta Zenkai (Vs Jeice) Vs Son Goku (100x gravity) - Nov 14, 15 He was pl 18,000 against goku so great ape would be 180,000 the same power level goku was with kaioken 2x and ginyu admitted he would be destroyed. KeiiiyaAa" Guldo screeched as everyone except the ginyu force, Frieza and Izuku stood in place not even moving, Izuku walked towards Guldo. Actually, if Raditz were to go Oozaru he'd outclass Captain Ginyu's power level by 30.000. The Ginyu Force's weakest member is almost 100 times stronger then that. team Ginyu should win all rounds. The power gap would only widen if it were Nappa or Vegeta … Dragon Ball Xenoverse : Goku Y Vegeta (Saga Namek) VS FUERZA GINYU ! "Bring it on, weakling!" team Ginyu should win all rounds. Again as I said above how do we know being a great ape increases vegetas speed? Just because something fails doesn't mean it never succeds, unless again you measure for success and failure are if the enemy is immediately dispatched after the tactic or plan. The Ginyus would probably argue who gets to play first, with Rock Paper Scissors (Its only fair!) Ginyu force also have a time manipulator and a body stealer. And all Vegeta had that could combat against them was a half Saiyan brat and a Earthling, Vegeta knew their chances of victory was slim but their chances at surviving were lower than that. And using previous knowledge of stopping Oozaru's to cut off Vegeta's tail. I think that point was before Goku fought Ginyu. Technically Goku went up to 32,000 in his fight with Vegeta. Also in Dragonball Roshi states that Goku outclasses him in terms of power but not necessarily skill, he says this after Goku has defeated King Piccolo, someone Roshi had no chance against. And we know its possible to remove vegtas tail which would set him back to base. episode of Death Battle. Beerus replied. And his entire fight before Super Saiyan using his ability to hide his presence to gain momentary upperhands on a being that far outstripped his current power. I agree that raw ability and skill outshine tactics in DBZ but that doesn't mean they don't matter. vs. Frieza "This is the power of the Ginyu Force!" Vegeta’s only spared because Frieza needs to interrogate him, but this just leads to Vegeta gaining enough power boost and ultimately getting his revenge on Zarbon. I like how this has turned into a debate on if tactics are viable in DBZ or not despite the final fight in DBZ ending up entirely on the use of strategy once Goku's energy crapped out. Goku wasn't just strong but he was really fast. Buu saga i already elaborated on. Its also about absolute loyalty to Frieza.And poses/formations of course. Then yeah lets take those into consideration. Forced to ally with Vegeta against their common enemy, Gohan and Kuririn fight desperately against Freeza's elite troops, the seemingly unstoppable Ginyu Force! Vegeta's earlier arrogant mistake doesn't diminish the fact that he came up with a viable strategy to take out an opponent much stronger than himself that would have worked perfectly if Cell were not able to regenerate. Captain Ginyu (ギニュー) was the leading member of an elite mercenary platoon, the eponymous Ginyu Force. This is Sayian Saga Vegeta whom is way weaker than he was in the Namek saga. Or using Cell's telekinetically controlled Kienzann against him in the same fight. Cell? I would say the ginyu force have the speed and numbers and abilities to pull that off. They stomp. Goku's power doesn't diminish unlike Freiza's, all he did was wait him out until he was weak. Or Ginyu body changes with him. Given Ginyu and Burter's speed, and Guldo's time stop Oozaru would be rendered ineffective against the Ginyu Force as long as they know to cut off their tails. He would have finished cell in his semi-perfect form if he didn't allow him to powerup, he probably would have delayed cell if not kill him if he kept on wailing on him. Can he kill them with his 10x increase when in the saiyan saga before they can destroy the moon or his tail? They are the secondary antagonists of the Namek Saga, while Frieza's Army serve as the main group of antagonists. Assuming the PLs fall in line with each of them, do they stand a chance? But to insinuate that there are NEVER any tactics that work in Z is being willfully ignorant. Dragon Ball XenoVerse Part 4 Is that a gaint ape..And ginyu is vegeta. The force of whatever had stricken Gero was enough to double him over and smash him into the ground. May 12, 2017 Guldo time freezes, one of them cuts off his tail, and STOMP. His strategies aren't that great. With Vegeta out of commission, Krillin steps in to save him. Izuku yawned as he stretched, however one short green member of this force wasn't happy about Izuku ignoring them. DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE - Ginyu Force intro with Vegeta. Captain Ginyu Saga is the name for the middle third of the much larger Frieza Saga in Dragon Ball Z, according to FUNimation dub‘s naming conventions for the English language anime, making it the third saga of the Dragon Ball Z series. It is a good comparison. "The Dragon Ball Super anime is lowering the IQ of the characters so the DB fan base can relate to them better." "The Terrible Ginyu Special-Squad") is the twenty-third volume of the original Dragon Ball manga series. Fact of the matter is, these strategies fail plenty of times over because once a character is of a higher power level, it makes everything moot. Dodoria alone (or Saiyan Saga Vegeta) kills them all with a hand tied on their back, imagine the Ginyu Force. Guldo is a short round alien with light green skin and four eyes (two small ones located like a humans eyes and two much larger eyes located at the sides of his head). Imagine if the Ginyu Force's teamwork expanded beyond their posing skills -- combining, for example, Guldo's time freeze with Ginyu's body switch or Burter's impressive speed. Vegeta was responsible for killing four of the five members of the Ginyu Force in Dragon Ball Z. Goku triumphantly explains that this is because Ginyu does not know Goku's secret of uniting body and soul. And throwing the dragon balls across the planet wasn't exactly the greatest plan either. So anytime Reed Richards or Dr. Doom pulls strings to acquire a powerful enough tool to win them the day it isn't a strategy or plan? I dunno, a lot, it's like asking me how many times they fired a Ki blast. Lets see saiyan saga, he still got his strategy torn apart by a fatass, and in turn the saiyan child who clearly had a tail himself got transformed then started to try to kick his ass, and then when he decided to use the cut the tail strategy it bit him in the ass and gohan fell on top of him. Back for the Dead: Predictably, when Ginyu finally gets to return to a humanoid body, Vegeta slays him ruthlessly in the very same manner he murdered the other members of the Ginyu Force, finally completing the set. The Ginyu Force (ギニュー特戦隊, Ginyū Tokusentai, lit. Nearly screwed his entire life over and if it wasn't for buu's prolonged existence, and king yenma's kindness, he would have never seen his son or wife ever again(who he admitted he actually was comfortable having)Or his rival again so he can surpass him(which was pretty much his life goal) And attempted to suicide bomb himself against a creature who clearly has an anatomy that can tell you that he wouldn't be killed so easily, especially considering he was stronger than cell and goku by miles. Because if that is your measurement of a strategy working then Punches and Ki blasts also never work in the show because each and every one doesn't immediately end the fight. 1 Description: 2 Interlude 3 The Ginyu Force 3.1 Ginyu 3.2 Jeice 3.3 Burter 3.4 recoome 3.5 Guldo 4 Cooler's armored squadron 4.1 Slza 4.2 Dore 4.3 Neiz 5 Death Battle 6 Conclusion 7 Next time DBZ vs … Goku had knocked Burter and Recomme unconscious. Both Ginyu and Guldo's techniques required their opponents to use teamwork to defeat them. The Namekian smirked. I agree that tactics don't mean a lot if theres a large power difference. Remember the Ginyu Force were villains for Vegeta and Goku who are very far ahead of Gohan/Krillin. Piccolo quickly regrouped and hovered over the downed Gero. Guldo isn't in the Ginyu Force for nothing. Vegeta knew this was not a group of rookies, the Ginyu force was the best team of fighters in Frieza's possession. Gangusbentek. Meanwhile, Nail continue… After a few years, Ginyu has mastered the use of the body he now owns, and with a little bit of training, he unlocks a new level of power, challenging Lord Frieza into a fight to show him his powers. And Solar Flare to by time for Spirit Bomb. This scaling is incorrect. A better match-up will be Sternritter vs Kaguya. It is not a good comparison. Vegeta assumes that Goku and Ginyu are about the same, Vegeta appears to be correct initially. They had to act fast and get their lost Dragon Balls! 65: 52–55 Inside the ship, Vegeta uses the opportunity to wash up and gets changed, amazed at ho… Back for the Dead: Predictably, when Ginyu finally gets to return to a humanoid body, Vegeta slays him ruthlessly in the very same manner he murdered the other members of the Ginyu Force, finally completing the set. re: Jeice, Burter and Recoome vs. Vegeta (after senzu bean on Namek) Super Saiyan Goku and 100% Freeza had a good solid fight but Freeza is also 20% weaker than Goku. How many failed miserably because the opponent was just too powerful for anything to matter? Ape form? The power gap would only widen if it were Nappa or Vegeta … Obviously Vegito luring Buu into absorbing him so he could save his friends involved no planning. Frieza saga,Dragon Balls? The Ginyu Force are an elite group of fighters who work for Frieza in Dragonball Z. "I will avenge all the good men you killed on Namek! Z warriors don't need to SEE to fight, especially on a being that can't mask their Ki. vs. Goku (Super Saiyan) "The full might of the Ginyu Force will defeat you!" Guldo had been picking on the Saiya… That's not really the strategic part. Do you mean Namek Saga Vegeta? Beerus shrugged. The only one to escape his wrath was Captain Ginyu, who accidentally switched bodies with a frog. Ginyu's power level is a little less than one fourth of Frieza's first form. In the anime, several of Frieza's soldiers are located at Frieza's spaceship and Captain Ginyu holds try outs involving them for a spot on the Ginyu Force. Sufficient Velocity Bringer of Bigatons. 'gotta go Ginyu 9/10. vs. Vegeta (Super Saiyan) "You're up against the Ginyu Force!" You mean the time where he would have finished the Cell saga way earlier were it not for Cell's ability to regenerate? If you're the kinda poster that starts his arguments with lol then you're not worth debating. Chapter 24: Rematch – Bardock Force vs. Ginyu Force. Stress: Not strangling the life out of someone when they desperately need it. Generic "This is it!" After the defeat of Guldo, Burter, and Recoome, Ginyu faced Goku and seemed like he was outmatched. Stealth was a concept that was unneeded in this case. Jesus Christ, a paraplegic would read that and gain the ability to walk solely for the purpose of walking away from this thread. Guldo time freezes, one of them cuts off his tail, and STOMP. Otherwise, they're doomed. And he honestly had other pretty good strategies during the android saga. However, the body that gets destroyed isn't Ginyu's - it's Tagoma's, who gets tricked into triggering the Body Swap technique. And that is after Vegeta had got a zenkai boost before he arrive on the planet Namek, and before killing Dodoria, and before Zarbon. Clearly Goku just blitzed Buu with his higher power level to win the fight. The only member they MIGHT be able to take down is Guldo. 'gotta go Ginyu 9/10. In the anime, Bulma leaves her position between two large rocks and using her Airbike, travels to a destroyed Namekian village and is later chased by Dinosaurs that Krillin saves her from. vs. Vegeta (Super Saiyan) "Something's different, but I know that's you, Vegeta! Then intimidating Android 20 into fleeing, so that he would have time to recover his energy. vs. Krillin "This is where you'll die!" But what about bluffing his kamehameha and then using instant transmission to blow half of Cell's Body apart. But those that do are goaled towards characters buffing up. vegeta should lose here. The Ginyu Force (恐 きょう 怖 ふ のギニュー 特 とく 戦 せん 隊 たい, Kyōfu no Ginyū Tokusentai, lit. Prepare to die!" Frieza saga had his strategy torn apart by gohan and krillin and not to mention the ginyu force, not much to say there. Ginyu Force can still win even though Vegeta is stronger than them. Vegeta looks around and acquires some new battle armor. Ginyu is an alien that possesses the rare ability to swap bodies. Also Ginyu Force had much better feats then the Spice boys. You do realize great ape is a ten time multipe. Kuroblade2. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta would have been wiped out in seconds. The blast in Gero's hand dissipated and, just as quickly as it had struck him, the object zipped backwards. they had a couple different tactics, none working simply because he was way too powerful. "Oi! The Namekian smirked. Clearly Dabura using the evil in Vegeta's heart to accelerate his and Babidi's plan's was not any kind of strategy or tactic. Ginyu has 120,000. Meanwhile, Captain Ginyu and Jeice fly towards the ship, with Ginyu showing off his new power and speed in Goku's body. Unless the only measurement of working is the enemy being defeated then and their. Even if it wasn't, my points still stands. Otherwise, Dodoria and Zarbon could be a part of the force, as Frieza doesn't question their loyalty whatsoever. "The heck is that? I'm not worried about it." However, because Akira Toriyama's works usually feature parody, the stances used by the Ginyu Force may be a parody of the stances seen in Super Sentai. Now watch as i freeze time! is this a joke? One of the worse strategies in DBZ, abandon all your friends and family, just for the sake of pride and power, how well did that go for him? Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. But after a long and ferious argument in New Ginyu Force, where Vegeta was in total rebellion against the leaders, Piccollo showed up, some how revived and took leadership of New Ginyu Force bacl. He wears a white variant of the regular custom armor Frieza's army wears, but does not carry a scouterdue to his head structure. 8 Vs Recoome Vegeta doesn’t get to enjoy his post-Zarbon power boost for long as Frieza calls in the Ginyu Force … If memory server me correct Vegeta tried to throw a dragonball far way so no one could find it and Burter chased it down and brought it back before Vegeta could make a full turn around after throwing the dragonball. Vegeta attacks Frieza's spaceship and kills the last of Frieza's guards, but fails to find the Dragon Balls when the guards refuse to tell him where they are. He was killed by Vegeta after swapping bodies with Tagomain Resurrection 'F' Saga. After changing bodies with Goku, Ginyu somehow manages to learn how to use Goku's body perfectly...not needing to change bodies with anyone again, he slaughters all the Z-Warriors and Vegeta. Not really a strategy. Ginyu Force (Dragon Ball) Dodoria (Dragon Ball) Dr. Briefs (Dragon Ball) Violence; Planet Namek; Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence; Eventual Romance; Fluff and Humor; Character Development; ... Vegeta (Dragon Ball) vs Feelings; Vegeta being Vegeta (Dragon Ball) Possessive Behavior; Summary. The same way Batman using Tactics on Superman isn't going to work. Conditions Same as Vegeta vs. Goku Vegeta fights the Ginyu force in the first scenario 1on1 and in the 2nd scenario as a team. He had barely any training compared to anyone else but he still kicked Cell's ass despite Cell having the knowledge of some of the smartest fighting tacticians in the universe. Goku one shorted Recoome and stomped Jeice and Burter with half the power. Guldo - Head cut off by Vegeta with a laser, then killed with an energy blast. GULDO ES ULTRA PODEROSO. 1:42. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 13:27. Ginyu Force. Excluding Goku/Vegeta, could the z fighters have won vs nappa in sayian saga? The Ginyu Force is an elite team of mercenaries who serve Frieza in Dragonball Z and Dragonball Z Kai. Face it, as soon as someone's PL is higher than someone else's, they become incredibly OP for almost no reason to anyone who isn't higher or equal to said person. Each Ginyu could probably solo them both save for maybe Guldo. The force of whatever had stricken Gero was enough to double him over and smash him into the ground. Actually, if Raditz were to go Oozaru he'd outclass Captain Ginyu's power level by 30.000. How many actually worked out? The blast in Gero's hand dissipated and, just as quickly as it had struck him, the object zipped backwards. But as for Vegeta, it would depend on what version you’re talking about. Greater power, bigger target. So I think Goku used the same power against the Ginyu Force and Ginyu himself. But the tables may be turning as Son Goku finally arrives on Planet Namek, his strength and speed increased ten … Their power levels individually were at 50,000 at the least and for Captain Ginyu, his power level max is 120,000. Remember the Ginyu Force were villains for Vegeta and Goku who are very far ahead of Gohan/Krillin. So if you remove Ginyu then yes great ape Saiyan saga vegeta could take out the ginyu force. Piccolo quickly regrouped and hovered over the downed Gero. Some of the recent references to the Ginyu Force's stylisti… Why didn't the purple comet tactic work on Goku? Ginyu force also have a time manipulator and a body stealer. If Vegeta was extremely powerful back then, he would have already been chosen. Being a member of the Ginyu Force, he has the Ginyu Force symbol on one of his armor's chest plates. Your ignoring the most important member! (Time Tricks and Body Binds) Burter - Knocked out by Goku, then neck stomped on by Vegeta with his knee. One would assume that elite members of Freeza's army would have some knowledge on each other. "This will be the end of you!" Though he does his best, he is easily defeated. I'm the kind of poster that uses commas, really. 2. Add photo Ginyu Force vs Cooler's Armored Squadron is a What-If? Also Ginyu Force had much better feats then the Spice boys. vs. Nappa "Let's play!" 21:59. "Ginyu Special Squadron") is a team of five mercenaries who are hired by Frieza. He was last seen during the Great Saiyaman Saga in the anime while still trapped in his frog form. It's how it would effect the actual battle against Recoome, Burter & Jeice (remember Guildo is dead by the time Nail shows up) and how … A move that would have worked on Broly were he there. I just assumed this would be basic knowledge. "You worthless Namekian!" the ginyu force might as well been the saiyan extermination group. In the Manga Vegeta says he will lose power and Goku notes he lost power the moment he made the power ball. Vegeta was the first confirmed Planet Buster, Boros was only confirmed to be able to destroy the surface of the planet. Vegeta with a PL of 180,000 should be able to maul them. Most of the Z warriors can't just randomly buff themselves either unless they are Saiyan and plot calls for it. Guldo, the short, heavy one, remembers the last time he spoke to Vegeta. It would be safe to say that Guldo back then was more powerful than Vegeta. Burter (バータ, Bāta) the tall, blue-skinned alien of Ginyu Force squadron and is Jeice's partner. The Ginyu Force isn't just about power. "I will right the wrong you committed back on Namek!" © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. How many different tactics were used in the show? Though physically some of the strongest individuals in the universe, the Ginyu Force's members delight in coming up with strange poses, betting candy on fights, and playing Janken. 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