However, it can be as short as 8 days and as long as 16 days. As the 9mm is a tapered case it will gain a little length on resizing. F. Depending on the shortness of your shorts you may want a skinnier bias strip, so if you don’t want to add as much length cut 2.5 inches or 2 inches wide, just remember we’ll be folding these in half so my 3 inch wide strip is going to only be 1.5 inches wide when I attach it to the shorts. I have beleaved that the bullet should be as close to the throat of the barrel without touching or being forced against or to far away. i suppose the load could have impact on case length, hot or mild load. The case attracted lots of media ... consumer would have paid less for a sandwich had he or she known of the possibility of the bread's being up to 1/4-inch shorter than the advertised length." If yes is there anything I can do to correct them? The Lee Precision Case Length Gauge and Shell Holder combined with the Lee Precision Cutter provides the simplest way to check the length of your cases and trim them to the correct, safe length. Reply. … I want those cases as long as possible since they always seem to be too short for the chamber. After a case has been loaded and fired a few times, it may stretch beyond the maximum allowed length and must be trimmed. The 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum or 243 WSSM is a rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. Their trim to length was 2.005. For the best results, full-length resize each case and trim to .020” under maximum case length. About straight walled revolver cases, all my load manuals show a “trim to case length” which I believe is the case length used in their published load recipes. I have fired several cases that were trimmed too short. I seem to recall a recommended minimum neck length of 1/2 bullet diameter. The brass is shorter than the specs in the reloading manual (2.015"). 1.555” is .005” less than Maximum case length for the 6mm BR and is a reasonable accepted standard. Where could I find minimum lengths for other calibers? I'm loading plinking ammo for now so accuracy is not really a concern. (Almost too) extensive case: (2068… Post by wheelgun7360 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:02 am i trim after the first firing and check them after about 5 firings. So for the past 10 months  i couldnt find anything. the small amt. Something with good drape and flow) Ruler, scissors, and other basic sewing supplies; Step 1: Determine how much length you want to add to the top. HS. Anything from 2.005” to 2.015” is safe to use. The issue I see is whether you are getting a decent taper crimp since your cases are so short. A full-length resized case, being slightly On average, the luteal phase is between 12 and 14 days. We are probably talking 2.0100 to 2.005 or so. I have a switch statement that currently has 10 different cases, however, I need to use it 3 different times (same 10 cases, different results per case), and each case there is only a slight change. 2. Because new cases are often slightly smaller in diameter than a fired and resized case, some allowance needs to be given for the initial case stretch that can occur when fired in the chamber. At least I won't have to invest in a trimmer anytime soon. .308 brass has a minimum length of 2.005” and a max of 2.015” I always trim mine if it’s above 2.013 and my trimmer trims to 2.005”. i rarely need to trim though. Therefore, any gap between the case lip and the transition step may or may not widen. I always seem to have a hard time finding shorts that are long enough too. I have some control rounds that I'll also shoot for a group. Close up of long and short case. Jenn. However, I try my best to make it no shorter than trim length but if I happen to go a few thousandths shorter than trim length, I don't sweat it and shoot it anyway. I'm reloading .308. I wanted to ask what is an average safe case length. Did you resize the cases prior to measuring? Beginner reloader here. Then all my cases were short by the depth of the divot, and kept getting shorter as the divot got deeper. But in 20 pcs there are variations of .010 to.015 . If you are just plinking with an AR or you feel that 1MOA groups are acceptable, You aren't going to be in any trouble shooting cases down below the recommended 1.750" trim length. Thank you I'm happy to hear that my cases are safe to use. you noticed will not affect their performance. After what seems like forever of collecting reloading equipment, then when the moment came ALL powder and primers disappear. They have been shot once from the same gun i will be shooting them from after loading. If over all case length is below max. Sorry. The cartridge overall length is 72.6 mm, cartridge case is 53.34 mm in length and the bullet diameter is .308 in (7.62 mm), which is common to all U.S. .30 caliber cartridges. Archived.308 case length too short? But they are not all the same length. The neck of the case must be annealed to the softest condition possible. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Its all about the difference between SAAMI specs and 'real world': SAAMI Case Length is .992"-.010" SAAMI Chamber is .992"+.012" If you mic your unfired or resized cases, likely you'll find they are far shorter than the .992" SAAMI max length. I have never heard of any real world absolute minimum case length for any bottlenecked cartridge. I would just load them to the proper OAL and fire them. OK where do I go from here? not the best place for a typo, i know, but that was supposed ot be .008. Too short top; Fabric ( lightweight knit or rayon-y woven fabrics, chiffon. Replies. The Lee Precision Cutter and Lock Stud works for most calibers. What is too short too use? My problem is I’m lucky if I get 5 cases at or over the “trim to length” out of the whole 100 case bag. Isort my cases by head stamp and length so that they are all the same . Trim length = length where you trim the cases to when they are too long AFTER sizing Max-case length = maximum allowable case length at which point the neck may interfere with where the chamber ends in the rifle and could "crimp" the end of the brass into the bullet when chambered, resulting in a potential overpressure condition. To that measurement, add additional length for the top and bottom seam allowances. There is a slight downward drop in velocity that follows the neck length. allen This is a “one-time only” prepara- tion of any and all cases to be used in the X-Sizer die." 4. Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. It uses a .300 WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) case shortened and necked down to accept a .243in/6mm diameter bullet, and is a high velocity round based on ballistics design philosophies that are intended to produce a high level of efficiency. I don't crimp .223 so the neck being a little short makes no difference. JMHO Trimming is needed if the case is above its maximum length and is necessary for uniform crimping. What is too short too use? Case length 19.15 mm (0.754 in) Overall length 29.69 mm (1.169 in) Case capacity 0.86 cm³ (13 gr H2O) ... Also, longer will not boost up pressure unless the bullets are into the lands. on use, as an observation, pistol cases get shorter and rifle get longer. I have seen match grade ammo have a case length shorter than trim length. I would think what I would be risking by useing the short cases if it were me.I know you will be safe to throw them away and use the correct length ones.It is my opinion we can't be too careful with reloaded ammo.Cases are cheap compared to an accident.Just my opinion,been loading now for 30 years with no problems! As the case body and neck expand, the case tries to shorten slightly and the case lip tends to pull back. Re: case length, how often to check? Great idea and awesome tutorial too! I put together a little bench with som lee precision presses and dies, I have everything I need but In my manual I can only seem to find the maximum length for the case. Probably not a problem if you don't prep a high volume of cases but it's something to watch for over time. If you like, you can model your own article after them in length. So I neck sized them using my Hornady die, but after sizing the casings measure at 51,04 - 51,08mm or 2,009 - 2,011" and according to some googling a .308 casing should be 51,18mm or 2,014". Because of this allowance, the Manufacturer’s Initial Length will sometimes be slightly shorter than SAAMI minimum length. Close. They are always a bit too short. Both too short or too long can hurt you. At the same time, frictional forces on the inside of the case from the powder, wad and bullet tries to lengthen the case slightly. Not too surprising that it does not show up on target at 200 yards though. Edit: 2.005 inches is the recommended trim length. The principle at work in the short magnum cartridge is the advantage of fitting larger volumes of powder in closer proximity to the primer's flash hole, resulting in more uniform, consistent ignition. Quick Method 1 As already noted, this method requires a case longer than the chamber. Reply Delete. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Hi! Most cases are up to 9 thou shorter that the trim to length. Beginner reloader here. Say, .375 H&H? What to do with cases that dont measure up to at least trim length. Max is .754. Articles on the blog have different lengths, and all of the following examples are good stories. The minimum case length, by the book, is .744. Published case length … Are mine too short to use? So i have about 100 PPU branded .308 casings. I would determine the length of the chamber and trim to maximum length. So how can a 5.56 NATO case be trimmed to the shorter length of a .223 case when a 5.56 out of the box has a longer case ... sure how many times fired) and a 5.56 that measures 1.756 (fired once). .308 case length too short? I found quite a few that the cases were .003-.08 shorter than the trim length listed in the book. Pre-set case trimmers like Lee trim .005” less than Maximum for bottleneck cartridges. I've posted my method on seating elsewhere. I don't even measure pistol cases that use a taper crimp. Excuse my poor English, i'm still learning it's not my native language. I've settled on the charge,seating depth and bullet and I'm getting best accuracy ever out of my rifle at 100 yds. I just went ahead and loaded only the cases that were in the GTG margin. They have been shot once from the same gun i will be shooting them from after loading. I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house. Trim your strip to length. Question, I just used my Sinclair Chamber Length Gage Insert on my Savage 6 BR and got a reading of 1.580". Whatever your regular luteal phase length is, it tends to be a consistent length … And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Posted by 1 year ago. The problem I kept having was that the index pin that sets the length kept digging a divot in the base piece. If you load heavy 44 or 357 mag load with a heavy rolled crimp, if the lengths vary too much, and you set the crimp on a short case, and then crimp a long one you can bulge the case. So let me start by saying I am new to C#. Thank you for the clarification. The minimum length is not as critical as the maximum length. I feel like I'm just repeating code, is there a way to shorten it? The Sinclair instructions have a warning that says maintain the case length so that it is a minimum of .024" shorter than the chamber length so that comes out to 1.556". Cookies help us deliver our Services. I reload 45 Colt, 38 Special and 357 Magnum. Your reloading manual will show you a maximum length and a trim-to length. Basically the shortest that will retain the bullet. I had some once fired brass i been collecting, as i went through them and was randoming checking them. 45-90 case for measuring a .45-70 chamber or reforming a .45-90 case to use in a .40-65 chamber. I know different case lengths will change bullet seating depth. Take a look. So i have about 100 PPU branded .308 casings. Beginner reloader here and I am unsure about the length of my .223 cases. Normally I don't trim at all but if I do I only square the mouths and set them to an even length without removing much material. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Also the casing have not been trimmed or chamfered, only neck sized and deprimed. In the hornady manual it list trimmed case length and a max case length. Exceeding the maximum length can cause pressure spikes as the case mouth may not be able to expand properly to release the bullet. like it was said above you might lose some consistency if you are looking for benchrest groups due to the inconsistent neck tension. Add Length to Your Shorts So I have green and blue shorts that I bought from Old Navy last summer. A full length resized .45-90 case was used for a .40-65 chamber. I was using my calipers and checking everything. If you want me to try YOUR ammo, let me use Your gun! With those dies you are instructed to trim the cases 0.020 inches shorter than Max: "All cases must be sized and trimmed to the same overall length. Being shorter than the trim-to-length will not cause any safety problems, but may degrade accuracy. What effect will this have in ballistic performance ? For best accuracy it is good to have a consistent case length. 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