Several functions may not work. The .22-250 Remington is the next most common. FNG's will shy away from that. I've killed them at 500 and beyond with a 223 but my hits per rounds fired drops as I begin to reach out beyond 400 particularly in the wind. You should be able to find something you really like. By the way, as a result of the 17hmr and the 204 I now enjoy the 22 rimfires and the .223 more than I did before. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. That would help us make suggestions. The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. 07-05-2017, 12:48 AM. Agree totally with you Red. The 223 burns a ton more powder than the rimfires, but that comes at a cost of loudness. The parent calibre is difficult to reload, and has been outclassed and overtaken by the .222/.223 cartridges but still hangs on in a niche of it’s own. There are lots of classic rifles for it too. I'd say the range is something like 250 or so yards on the 17 hornet for small game. Comment. Edited by Red, 14 October 2016 - 09:10 AM. Remington bdl, or a CZ. If your looking for out to the 300 yard area, I would go with the 223. Others may disagree. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. The more you shoot at the long distances we're talking about the better your results. The much hyped 17 Hornet calibre as designed by Hornady arrived in the UK last year. Hornady produces two rounds; a 20g V-Max or polymer tipped bullet and a 15.5g NTX bullet. For 223, I’d use earplugs inserted all the way. They’re followed by the .204 Ruger and the .220 Swift. It's not the most common, though (if you do not reload). But, when 39-40 grain bullets are used, the 204 will reach way out there. It will likely require more frequent cleaning. Same C.O.L. Thread starter Canhunter35; Start date Mar 14, 2018; Tags 17 hmr 17 hornet 204 ruger Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . I once took a PD at 1000 yards with my 25-06 when we used to shoot at the Rosebud (don't think my eyes are up to it now), also took a PD at 700 with a 222 at the same local. 1; 2; 3; Next. The Hornet load, when zeroed at 200 yards, drops 17.1 inches at 300 yards. No matter, 125 yards is about all you can expect out of them. Similar to the 10mm vs .45 ACP debate, the .223 Remington has more energy remaining at 200 yards than many .22 Hornet loads have at the muzzle. With the higher velocity of the bullets fired from the Fireball it has a flatter trajectory curve. Love that little Hornet round - it really does a number on smaller game and all while being relatively quiet and without any muzzle jump. With a 40 grain bullet, the 22WMR sends it along at 1880 fps. Between the two I'd go for the Hornet unless there's a.17 HMR you really like. The sister magnum rimfires are around $0.40/round, while basic 223 ammo is about the same cost and it can be reloaded for quite a bit less. The 17 Hornet – an economical, fun.17 caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the STING on varmints out to 300 yards! Starting out, the 22WMR and 17HMR are around 250-320 ft-lbs, but they’re just not comparable to the centerfire 223 at 1200 ft-lbs of power. If you’re looking for yet more speed, check out the 204 Ruger as it sends a 40 grain bullet out at 3900 fps. I want something a little different. Yes, you can kill out to twice that, but hitting prairie dogs at 200 yards is a hit or miss (excuse the pun) situation. .17 hornet vs. the .223 Rem felt recoil isn't enough to matter. The cartridge was created by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber. Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. Personally, I find that if I’m on a busy gopher field, I’ll use low NRR earplugs (or high NRR ones just barely inserted) when shooting 17HMR. Mar 14, 2018 #1 Canhunter35 Well-Known Member. A 223 Remington will send a 40 grain bullet screaming downrange at a blistering 3600 fps. One set for 400 yds. A 223 Remington will send a 40 grain bullet screaming downrange at a blistering 3600 fps. On a coyote with a 6″ vitals area, Maximum Point Blank Range or MPBR for short, is handy to compare how flat they shoot and how far you can smack a yote without having to adjust your reticle or point of aim. Replies (4) Share: 0 0. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. But you'll have to admit those are extreme distances. It's usually a pretty hard hit even then. I got a friend that is a coyote hunting machine and he swears by the 204. The .223 is marginal for coyotes, and it packs more punch than the .17s. The .17 Hornet has virtually no recoil, and is plenty accurate enough for head shots. It is interesting that the 17's were not as effected by wind as one would think during these shoots. Smaller cross section and less time of flight kind of evened it out. .223 Remington It’s no secret that the .223 is among our most popular cartridges for a number of different reasons, and among those reasons sits the coyote. So I opt for the quieter 17 HMR or a 22LR. So I'm not concerned about using it on larger varmints. There’s really no clear cut winner here, but instead the right cartridge for the job. I haven’t fired nearly enough rounds through my 17 HMR to kill the accuracy in the barrel and from my reading, it’ll take a while: about 15,000 rounds to start seeing accuracy dip in a 17HMR or 22WMR. If there ever was a cult classic varmint cartridge it's the .22 Hornet, a cartridge that can trace its factory roots back to the 1930s. Cartridges like the .204 Rug., .17 Rem., and .223 Rem., on the other end of the spectrum, typically blow huge holes in the hides. 0 0. The 223 is great especially if you don't reload. Perhaps on small game, .17 would leave meat more intact than .223? Reply. I've got CZ 527s in both 17 Hornet and 204 in the heavier Varmint versions. All the calibers mentioned above are fun, inexpensive to shoot and can reach out so they are all good choices. Aspencreek what do you consider effective range for 17 hornet on small varmints? How far do you intend to shoot? Next Last. The .223 Rem. Alan mentioned a range of 125, but I think that is way too conservative an estimate. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. _____ Spelling and grammar count! Take a look at the chart below. Thanks for info. I'd get a .223 before the .17 Hornet - the ammo is about half-price, and it's a more versatile caliber. V-Max, and the.17 Hornet has a mild report and nil recoil, too. The 17 Hornet is an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge with way more “reach” than a 17 HRM or 22 WMR. Trajectory-wise, that’s slightly better than the.223 Rem. The 17 or 22 rimfires are about the minimum for coyote-sized varmints, but there is a lot of room between the 17 HMR and the 17 Rem, and lots of good bullets. 99 I have not noticed that yet but I appreciate the heads up! Velocity about the same. However, the body of evidence also indicates that both cartridges are very effective on predators, small game, and varmints. Personally, I’m a fan of 223 for coyotes out in Alberta because I see a lot of mid-range shots around 300 yards. The .17 Hornet, also known as the .17 Ackley Hornet, is a .17 caliber centerfire rifle wildcat cartridge originally made by P.O. When ya get too good try it with a smaller caliber....but just have fun. Heck, I've taken a coyote at a range-findered 200 yards (the one below) and it only managed to move 10 or 15 yards before expiring. There’s also the noise that you cause for other people. I've never owned a 223, but I've owned and shot several Hornets, including a .17 and a .22 Ackley improved. That's getting way out there and I'd rather be a bit closer, but for sure you can do up to 250 on most small game. The group we shot with included Walt Berger and other big names in shooting. That said, the energy each bullet has when they get there is quite different. So the reality is knowing your gun, your ability and some luck all always all play into hitting at distance. when loaded with the 55-gr. The bolt face is the same size, but case dimensions are completely different. 17 Hornet — Trajectory Comparison The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. I think that 22 rimfires, .223 and 22 hornet are all great rounds. If you’re looking for yet more speed, check out the 204 Ruger as it sends a 40 grain bullet out at 3900 fps. You can see that the 17 Hornet’s trajectory (blue line) is almost an identical match for the larger .223 Rem (red line) all the way out to 400 yards or so. Even in a full-value, 10-m.p.h. or less the other set for 1,000. Which means you can crank up the scope and spot your own hits. ETC: Is there anything that .17 WSM is better suited for than 223/5.56. I once took a PD at 1000 yards with my 25-06 when we used to shoot at the Rosebud (don't think my eyes are up to it now), also took a PD at 700 with a 222 at the same local. Comparing a centerfire cartridge against rimfires is a bit silly, but I thought it’d be interesting. We had an event this past Saturday and I took out my Armalite A2 in 416 Barret and if you really want to reach out I vote for it at $9.00 overtime you pull the trigger.....LOL. I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. Being able to find inexpensive ammo anywhere does though. I sold both my 17 hmrs after shooting them enough in winds at 100 yds. As for other options one of the bigger.22 centerfire cartridges (bigger than the Hornet) would be a good choice. Additionally, the Hornet carries 130 more foot-pounds of energy at 200 yards than the .22 Mag. Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum, Squirrel and small game hunting, rimfire target shooting, This is not recommended for shared computers, Back to Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum. The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. Oct 10, 2012 #2 Hunter2678 Well-Known Member. You might find this odd, but this is the primary reason I don’t use a .223 for gophers. I can only imagine the range of the 17Hornet is significantly better for small critters. .17 WSM vs. .223/5.56 Posted by CoastieGM on 8/10/13 at 9:49 am. They offer a different experience. huntfishtrap ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Join Date: Jun 2009; Posts: 2506; Share Tweet #7. So a .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .22 Hornet round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 710 pounds over the same one foot distance. For coyotes, I personally think the odd shot is fine, because every shot means one less coyote and most of the land owners around me HATE coyotes with a passion. I'm shooting the 17WSM (20r.) When I checked a few years ago the Cooper was a single shot and the CZ has a five shot magazine. These were all witnessed by friends. Ammo price about the same. Recently got two Sakos, one in 222 the other in 222Mag and will be working on having a good time with both. Heck, I've taken a coyote at a range-findered 200 yards (the one below) and it only managed to move 10 or 15 yards before expiring. The Hornet is a Hornady or nobody proposition and won't be everywhere. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. You currently have javascript disabled. A 17 HMR will send a bullet that’s half that weight (20 grains) at 2350. I'd agree on that range for the 17hmr, but with the 17 hornet I've taken rock chucks (marmots) out close to 300 with it and I almost never get crawl-offs. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. Even if you buy nicer hunting ammo off the shelf, hunting 223 is usually no more than $1 a round. #2747663 - 11/24/14 04:22 AM Re: ok 17, or 22 hornet or 223 [Re: scoremaster] Leadbelly Die Hard Member Registered: 06/08/13 Posts: 652 Loc: Possum squat ky I would try to find a used or new .17 Remington. With practice the long shots became more common for all those shooting. 1 of 3 Go to page. I was able to make 200 yard shots with my 22Hornet on prairie dogs fairly easily, some a little further with 40 grain v-max. On the flipside, I love my 17HMR for high volume gopher shooting because the noise is quite a bit less and it’s easier to carry more rounds in my pocket. The relatively new .17 Hornet filled the void perfectly for me. Consistently ranking among the Top 5 or Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year, the .223 Remington is by far the most popular of the group. I use 6mm Remington. I've coyote hunt with a nice Howa 243. On a coyote with a 6″ vitals area, Maximum Point Blank Range or MPBR for short, is handy to compare how flat they … Having owned the 17 hmr Id rather shoot the 17 hornet. December 26, 2015, 05:28 PM #4: chris in va. Senior Member . I'd say the range is something like 250 or so yards on the 17 hornet for small game. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube, © I only used it on one shoot with a 100 yard zero and some hold over so I have minimal experience with it in the pd towns. Quieter doesn't enter into the question at all. That's getting way out there and I'd rather be a bit closer, but for sure you can do up to 250 on most small game. The result was a small case with relatively little noise capable of high velocity. For target shooting, I could go for either, but the 223 definitely works better in the 200-400 yard range whereas the 17 HMR and 22 WMR get tossed around with wind and drop quite a bit more at those ranges. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. #2449084 - 02/27/13 10:30 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs. 22 Hornet [Re: WeaselCircus] 1coyoteslayer Seasoned Member Registered: 07/29/09 Posts: 428 Loc: The wet side of WA I dont have any experiance with either but you should be able to find some ballistic charts online. 2020 The Hunting Gear Guy, Mossberg 510 Super Bantam 20 Gauge Review. Post Cancel. No one can dispute that the .223 is a far more powerful round but as said above .223 vs .22 hornet is apples vs oranges.Variety is the spice of life and both calibers have a pride of place in my gun cabinet in the form of a Browning X-BOLT IN .223 and my CZ527 Hornet. It doesn't heat up quite as fast as a 204. The hmr is very … Picked up the 204 a few weeks ago to use specifically for coyotes and so far it is working great on them. as the 22 Hornet (uses the existing action). So, can you compare rimfire ammo and centerfire ammo? 17 Hornet Ammo Fmj And 17 Vs 223 Ammo Best Prices 2018 Ads, Deals and Sales. The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. They are both fantastic shooters, easily doing sub-moa groups with factory Hornady ammo. I've not had a chance to shoot the Hornet at distances over 200 yet but that is coming. One of my favorites is the.222 Remington (not the magnum version but the original). I would pull the trigger on a fox if armed with a standard .22 Hornet in SP, but am not sure about the .17 Hornet loaded with V-Max. But, they are apples and the 17hmr, .204 and 17 hornet are oranges. It looks much more like Colt Ar – 15, than like other small caliber rifles. Top #2747822 - 11/24/14 12:43 PM Re: ok 17, or 22 hornet or 223 … If I could have only one rifle it'd be a 204. A 17 HMR will send a bullet that’s half that weight (20 grains) at 2350. Many times it would take several shots and walk it in for the hit. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. But if you really want a 17 and want to kill coyote consistently I would stick with the 17 Fireball or 17 Rem. We decided that we would limit our shots to what you'd have to consider long shots. This was an inevitable comparison after doing my 17HMR vs 22WMR article. 17 HMR-Alexander Arms: The Alexander Arms .17 HMR is an advanced rifle with a very interesting design, great abilities, and features. quack Scout . So the 223 Remington really stretches out far, but the 22WMR and 17HMR are no slouches either. It's usually a pretty hard hit even then. driving a 55gn bullet at 3200fps sighted-in 50mm high at 100 metres for a 200 metre zero, shows 25mm more drop at 250 than the .17 Hornet but retains 565 ft/lb of energy which gives it over twice as much hitting power as the .17 Hornet at that distance. Joined May 2, 2012 Messages 621 Location Ohio. This post was edited on 8/10 at 10:00 am. Neighbors probably won’t complain about 22’s or 17HMR/22WMR, but 223 is pretty decently loud. _____ "Seperation is in the preparation.....Go Hawks" Russell Wilson Top #2449862 - 02/28/13 06:55 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs. 22 Hornet … With a 40 grain bullet, the 22WMR sends it along at 1880 fps. 17 hornet vs 204 ruger. I've not had a chance to shoot the Hornet at distances over 200 yet but that is coming. Replies (4) Options Top. Depending on which study you go off, barrel length, and that kind of thing, 17hmr and 22wmr are around 4 dB louder than 22LR and 223 is about 10 dB louder than 17HMR/22WMR. Ackley in the early 1950s. Sean, I hunted with a guy who took a prairie dog at 1000 yards with a 223. 500 yards is a long shot with a 223, not so much for 204 with heavy bullets. There’s a reason all 3 of these cartridges are on the shelf, and I think that you need to choose the one that fits your purpose. I'd agree on that range for the 17hmr, but with the 17 hornet I've taken rock chucks (marmots) out close to 300 with it and I almost never get crawl-offs. If I was shooting gophers on an enormous tract of land with no one around for miles, I might consider using the 223 to stretch out possible shots. Alan mentioned a range of 125, but I think that is way too conservative an estimate. That means 17 HMR and 22 WMR are around twice the sound power compared with 22LR, and 223 is 3 times louder than 17HMR/22WMR. The fields I shoot on belong to land owners and I don’t want to piss them off with loud gunfire. Heck find a used Stevens 200 or a old savage .223 and order a barrel already chambered by shilen. These were all witnessed by friends. When the V-Max .22 Mag load is zeroed at 100 yards it drops almost that same amount at just 200 yards. Note, that because sound pressure is measured in a logarithmic scale, noise power is double for every 3 dB. 22-250 vs 223 vs 204 Ruger vs 220 Swift: Ammunition Selection. What are you going to be using it for? Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. Back to top. at 300 yards and can hit with regularity. Match shooters who use 223 change barrels over at around 5000 rounds, but those barrels probably have a ton of life still left in them and may be able to stretch out to 10,000. jmo. A 17 Hornady Hornet will be my next toy and I expect it will do a good job on coyotes and a better one on prairie dogs. I find the challenge of the 17's to be something I enjoy. load (197 and 67 ft.-lbs., respectively). But its functionality is also quite more similar to AR – 15, and except for .17 caliber, it can fire .223 … Yes, the .223 Remington is clearly a more powerful cartridge than the .22 Hornet. Go. 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